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I Don't Understand Some Homeowners

June 23rd, 2012 at 03:31 pm

Some people in my neighbourhood are still doing cash-out refinancing of their houses. I suppose it is marginally better than having outstanding home equity lines of credit if the balances are large, but doesn't one have to pay application fees, discount points, credit checks, appraisal fees, documentation fees, title search costs, et cetera? A regular refinance here could cost $4200-$6900. And the terms are usually for 30 years, regardless of the ages of the mortgagees. So four mortgage refinances over a decade, not uncommon where I am, cost close to $22000. Now, if the mortgages were for shorter terms and smaller interest, the costs would not be so cumbersome. I paid close to nothing for my refinance and neither shortened nor lengthened my term but I saved $8700 in interest. But if the amounts are larger and the terms remain constant, that is prolonged, the interest saved is not as significant.

Our newspapers used to present "oh woe" articles of people who have lived in their houses for most of their lives, but somehow did not mention the frequent mortgage refinances, always for larger amounts. And articles of the "we are underwater on our mortgage and have lost our equity" sort and it turns out they got 0% down or interest-only mortgages. Values in our area dropped from the 2007 peak by 30% by 2011, which is not long ago.

I weep for the future of your country. About half of these people vote too and nearly all have good, professional jobs. Or maybe it is just that many people in my neighbourhood are clueless. That seems most likely to me.

5 Responses to “I Don't Understand Some Homeowners”

  1. crazyliblady Says:
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    I always wondered how much a re-fi costs. My hubster seems to think it shouldn't cost anything, but I knew better. Is $4200 to $6900 pretty standard? Is that based on the size of the refinanced loan? I assume that an appraisal is also in order. What about home and termite inspections?

  2. PauletteGoddard Says:
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    Well you are both right. My first refinance cost $1900, for $175000, because I had an employee benefit at the time. The second refinance, for $120000, cost us $1,766 but that was for escrow to pay for property taxes and insurance, not for application fees, title search, blah blah blah. Appraisals are in order yes, and the $4200 - $6900 includes the 1% application fee for the money requested, and varies if one wants to "buy down" an interest rate. Before my credit union offered its no-fee 12 year mortgage, the mortgage products available to us had costs ranging from $5600 to $6900. I am guessing banks can be more competitive when offering low mortgage rates.

  3. PauletteGoddard Says:
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    Also the $4200 - $6900 would include the escrow deposit. That was not obvious in my response.

  4. Jerry Says:
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    I vote for "Clueless" (and I don't mean that movie). Good, professional jobs do not presuppose having a clue, alas, and it leads people to make stupid money mistakes all the time. It's really a shame, and you are correct about the future of the country when this becomes the norm. There is no insurance that people are even interested in learning about how to make solid decisions on stuff like this, either. It makes me seriously consider staying overseas for a while longer.
    Jerry

  5. baselle Says:
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    From what I've seen they are clueless because getting the money - and not having to face the alternative - depends on it. Its also because many many workers in the FIRE part of the economy think and encourage others to think that 200K is not a lot of money and when you get enough people to think that 200K is cheap... you get shananingans like this. Well, someday 200K will be a lot of money.

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